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		<title>By: Kovancılar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kovancılar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>google has worked very good on this path</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>google has worked very good on this path</p>
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		<title>By: Paid Directory</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>Paid Directory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that sounds like a pretty good idea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that sounds like a pretty good idea</p>
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		<title>By: Antalya escort</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1302</link>
		<dc:creator>Antalya escort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zuum anasını satim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zuum anasını satim</p>
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		<title>By: bayrakçı</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1292</link>
		<dc:creator>bayrakçı</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you very good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you very good</p>
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		<title>By: Watch online movies</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>Watch online movies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as Google’s collaboration with Chinese authorities demonstrates, this can easily morph into supporting authoritarians of all stripes. Exactly true..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as Google’s collaboration with Chinese authorities demonstrates, this can easily morph into supporting authoritarians of all stripes. Exactly true..</p>
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		<title>By: fiber su deposu</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator>fiber su deposu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guzel bır paylasım sunmussun. cok saol bırader devamını dılıyoruz .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guzel bır paylasım sunmussun. cok saol bırader devamını dılıyoruz .</p>
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		<title>By: radyo reklam</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1254</link>
		<dc:creator>radyo reklam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.bibersa.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Radyo Reklam &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bibersa.com" rel="nofollow">Radyo Reklam </a></p>
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		<title>By: halı yıkama</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1013</link>
		<dc:creator>halı yıkama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you very good</description>
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		<title>By: Konteyner</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>Konteyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>google has worked very good on this path</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>google has worked very good on this path</p>
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		<title>By: online sinema izle</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>online sinema izle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kahle, dem Erfinder des Internet Archive (archive.org). Besonders interessant ist der Eintrag A Raw Deal for Libraries, auf den Dan Clancy, “engineering manager for Google Book Search”,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kahle, dem Erfinder des Internet Archive (archive.org). Besonders interessant ist der Eintrag A Raw Deal for Libraries, auf den Dan Clancy, “engineering manager for Google Book Search”,</p>
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		<title>By: konteyner</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>konteyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post 10x</description>
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		<title>By: futureofthebook.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BookNews</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator>futureofthebook.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; BookNews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] further frustration of the exploitation of libraries by Google can be posed as an exploitation of the collections made [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] further frustration of the exploitation of libraries by Google can be posed as an exploitation of the collections made [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Raw Deal for Libraries und andere Einträge</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>A Raw Deal for Libraries und andere Einträge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kahle, dem Erfinder des Internet Archive (archive.org). Besonders interessant ist der Eintrag A Raw Deal for Libraries, auf den Dan Clancy, &#8220;engineering manager for Google Book Search&#8221;, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kahle, dem Erfinder des Internet Archive (archive.org). Besonders interessant ist der Eintrag A Raw Deal for Libraries, auf den Dan Clancy, &#8220;engineering manager for Google Book Search&#8221;, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Proms</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Proms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google's search/desktop/trends/email monitoring has enabled it to know more about us individually and collectively than any company or government in the long march of man. 

At first glance, today's goal appears to be "monetizing the hard work and efforts of others". But as Google's collaboration with Chinese authorities demonstrates, this can easily morph into supporting authoritarians of all stripes. 

Monopolizing knowledge simply furthers the march toward both outcomes.

In other words... If you're not paranoid about Google, you're simply not thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s search/desktop/trends/email monitoring has enabled it to know more about us individually and collectively than any company or government in the long march of man. </p>
<p>At first glance, today&#8217;s goal appears to be &#8220;monetizing the hard work and efforts of others&#8221;. But as Google&#8217;s collaboration with Chinese authorities demonstrates, this can easily morph into supporting authoritarians of all stripes. </p>
<p>Monopolizing knowledge simply furthers the march toward both outcomes.</p>
<p>In other words&#8230; If you&#8217;re not paranoid about Google, you&#8217;re simply not thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Open Content Alliance (OCA) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Economics of Book Digitization</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Content Alliance (OCA) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Economics of Book Digitization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] First, most attention is paid to the cost of scanning (photographing the pages and processing them), but I cannot emphasize enough that the greatest costs of building a digital library are those borne by the brick-and-mortar libraries.  Libraries spend billions each year building, curating, and maintaining their collections, then spend millions more servicing digitizing partners that are &#8220;covering the costs.&#8221;  So, the real value, and costs, are in the books and the libraries. This aspect is too often overlooked and undervalued. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] First, most attention is paid to the cost of scanning (photographing the pages and processing them), but I cannot emphasize enough that the greatest costs of building a digital library are those borne by the brick-and-mortar libraries.  Libraries spend billions each year building, curating, and maintaining their collections, then spend millions more servicing digitizing partners that are &#8220;covering the costs.&#8221;  So, the real value, and costs, are in the books and the libraries. This aspect is too often overlooked and undervalued. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome M.Garchik Attorney</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome M.Garchik Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a civil rights attorney following the Settlement debates.

For your readers benefits, as of 2/l9/09 it seems a Finnish authors association has advised its members opt out and sees the settlement and its registry structure as an effort by google to  set up google's control over US copyright materials as a
dominant factor world wide. The Canadian authors association set up an info seminar today in Canada, taking a more active role in educating authors about the settlement. There have also been web comments in Germany, Australia, Britain and many other country media. The Settlement document waffles on whether it would apply or be available outside the US. The settlement documents lets google delete/exclude scanned books for legal or editorial reasons, opening a door for foreign nation censorship of books on human sexuality, politics, religion,women's rights. 
Reading the above comments regarding libraries, it seems library administrators are delighted with the deal, but rank and file librarians are terrified by it. One big concern, PRIVACY OF USER INFORMATION. Will google fight court subpoenas for googlebook user histories, like libraries would, or would google merely produce user data on a routine basis? Dan Clancy's comments seem to state that google will act with as much vigor to protect user information as the most protective of its member libraries, but I am not sure that is reflected yet in the settlement agreement or in any other binding document or statement of principles. 

J.Garchik, Attorney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a civil rights attorney following the Settlement debates.</p>
<p>For your readers benefits, as of 2/l9/09 it seems a Finnish authors association has advised its members opt out and sees the settlement and its registry structure as an effort by google to  set up google&#8217;s control over US copyright materials as a<br />
dominant factor world wide. The Canadian authors association set up an info seminar today in Canada, taking a more active role in educating authors about the settlement. There have also been web comments in Germany, Australia, Britain and many other country media. The Settlement document waffles on whether it would apply or be available outside the US. The settlement documents lets google delete/exclude scanned books for legal or editorial reasons, opening a door for foreign nation censorship of books on human sexuality, politics, religion,women&#8217;s rights.<br />
Reading the above comments regarding libraries, it seems library administrators are delighted with the deal, but rank and file librarians are terrified by it. One big concern, PRIVACY OF USER INFORMATION. Will google fight court subpoenas for googlebook user histories, like libraries would, or would google merely produce user data on a routine basis? Dan Clancy&#8217;s comments seem to state that google will act with as much vigor to protect user information as the most protective of its member libraries, but I am not sure that is reflected yet in the settlement agreement or in any other binding document or statement of principles. </p>
<p>J.Garchik, Attorney</p>
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		<title>By: archive</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Clancy rebuts our post by describing the benefits the Settlement will bring to partner libraries. In particular, he argues that those libraries, in exchange for participation, will receive: 1) digital copies (if they want them) to which they will now have more rights with less liability; and 2) a subsidy on the price of the institutional subscription. To the first point, we remind our readers that libraries only receive those copies if they join the Settlement and enter into a new legal agreement that submits their use of those copies to regulation by the Book Rights Registry. And, as Karen points out above, from the perspective of libraries, the Settlement’s new codification of rights is not an improvement upon the allowances of copyright law. To the second point, we refer our readers back to the Settlement, where they will find no such promises of a deeply discounted subsidy. There, on page 57, it says only that Google “may subsidize the purchases of Institutional Subscriptions by [partner] libraries.” So, this is good news, but it's not in the Settlement. Even in his comment, Dan Clancy uses conditional language like “potentially” and “likely" to describe such a subsidy.

We encourage all interested parties to read the Settlement, or a &lt;a href="http://www.arl.org/pp/ppcopyright/google/" rel="nofollow"&gt;good, independent summary of it&lt;/a&gt;, and then to assess for themselves whether our representations are “factually inaccurate” or “misleading,” as Dan Clancy has stated. We stand by our interpretations.

Let’s restate the obvious: libraries are not a partner to the Settlement. Only Google, the Authors Guild, and the Association of American Publishers will be signing the document. Although a few libraries participated in the negotiations, their interests did not animate the agreement, as is evident from revelations since the settlement was announced. One &lt;a href="http://chaucer.umuc.edu/blogcip/collectanea/2008/10/google_book_search_and_buy_1.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;participant&lt;/a&gt; has written:  “Libraries [were] not sitting at the head of the bargaining table, and they [were] not going to be able to get everything they wanted, or perhaps even much of what they wanted.”  Furthermore, one of Google’s library partners, Harvard University, has &lt;a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=524989" rel="nofollow"&gt;refused to join&lt;/a&gt; the Settlement. Even Google’s biggest library supporters (Stanford, Michigan, and the University of California) &lt;a href="http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=6807" rel="nofollow"&gt;have admitted&lt;/a&gt; that they “have not unanimously agreed to all aspects of the proposed settlement.” Other concerns from a library perspective can be found &lt;a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/05/opinion/edbeam.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6618842.html?industryid=47109" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://library.duke.edu/blogs/scholcomm/2008/11/07/looking-for-the-devil-in-the-details/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://kcoyle.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://blogs.lib.berkeley.edu/shimenawa.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;--and of course &lt;a href="http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/#comment-237" rel="nofollow"&gt;Karen Coyle's response&lt;/a&gt; on this blog.

The OCA seeks to foster the conditions that will allow libraries to flourish, to expand, and to continue to provide the greatest possible free access to human knowledge while at the same time preserving that knowledge. We don’t believe this settlement will nurture that ideal.

In the next few months, we will have more to say here about our growing concerns over the Settlement and its implications. We accept Dan's invitation to foster a serious public debate about the agreement and the future it implies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Clancy rebuts our post by describing the benefits the Settlement will bring to partner libraries. In particular, he argues that those libraries, in exchange for participation, will receive: 1) digital copies (if they want them) to which they will now have more rights with less liability; and 2) a subsidy on the price of the institutional subscription. To the first point, we remind our readers that libraries only receive those copies if they join the Settlement and enter into a new legal agreement that submits their use of those copies to regulation by the Book Rights Registry. And, as Karen points out above, from the perspective of libraries, the Settlement’s new codification of rights is not an improvement upon the allowances of copyright law. To the second point, we refer our readers back to the Settlement, where they will find no such promises of a deeply discounted subsidy. There, on page 57, it says only that Google “may subsidize the purchases of Institutional Subscriptions by [partner] libraries.” So, this is good news, but it&#8217;s not in the Settlement. Even in his comment, Dan Clancy uses conditional language like “potentially” and “likely&#8221; to describe such a subsidy.</p>
<p>We encourage all interested parties to read the Settlement, or a <a href="http://www.arl.org/pp/ppcopyright/google/" rel="nofollow">good, independent summary of it</a>, and then to assess for themselves whether our representations are “factually inaccurate” or “misleading,” as Dan Clancy has stated. We stand by our interpretations.</p>
<p>Let’s restate the obvious: libraries are not a partner to the Settlement. Only Google, the Authors Guild, and the Association of American Publishers will be signing the document. Although a few libraries participated in the negotiations, their interests did not animate the agreement, as is evident from revelations since the settlement was announced. One <a href="http://chaucer.umuc.edu/blogcip/collectanea/2008/10/google_book_search_and_buy_1.html" rel="nofollow">participant</a> has written:  “Libraries [were] not sitting at the head of the bargaining table, and they [were] not going to be able to get everything they wanted, or perhaps even much of what they wanted.”  Furthermore, one of Google’s library partners, Harvard University, has <a href="http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=524989" rel="nofollow">refused to join</a> the Settlement. Even Google’s biggest library supporters (Stanford, Michigan, and the University of California) <a href="http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=6807" rel="nofollow">have admitted</a> that they “have not unanimously agreed to all aspects of the proposed settlement.” Other concerns from a library perspective can be found <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/05/opinion/edbeam.php" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6618842.html?industryid=47109" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://library.duke.edu/blogs/scholcomm/2008/11/07/looking-for-the-devil-in-the-details/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://kcoyle.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://blogs.lib.berkeley.edu/shimenawa.php" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8211;and of course <a href="http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/#comment-237" rel="nofollow">Karen Coyle&#8217;s response</a> on this blog.</p>
<p>The OCA seeks to foster the conditions that will allow libraries to flourish, to expand, and to continue to provide the greatest possible free access to human knowledge while at the same time preserving that knowledge. We don’t believe this settlement will nurture that ideal.</p>
<p>In the next few months, we will have more to say here about our growing concerns over the Settlement and its implications. We accept Dan&#8217;s invitation to foster a serious public debate about the agreement and the future it implies.</p>
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		<title>By: intonaco &#187; Blog Archive &#187; bare lidt om ophavsret</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>intonaco &#187; Blog Archive &#187; bare lidt om ophavsret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] så bibliotekerne vs google og Open content alliance.  addthis_url = 'http%3A%2F%2Fintonaco.abatonet.dk%2F%3Fp%3D639'; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] så bibliotekerne vs google og Open content alliance.  addthis_url = &#8216;http%3A%2F%2Fintonaco.abatonet.dk%2F%3Fp%3D639&#8242;; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Google Monetizes Public Libraries? &#124; 1800blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Monetizes Public Libraries? &#124; 1800blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/" rel="nofollow">http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2008/12/06/a-raw-deal-for-libraries/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Google Monetizes Public Libraries? &#171; unsettling economics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Monetizes Public Libraries? &#171; unsettling economics</dc:creator>
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